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hello everybody thank you for being here

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good to see everybody i hope you're all

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having a really good day

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i'm really excited for this interview um

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i've been looking forward to it for

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quite some time unfortunately kevin had

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to post spain previously

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but we got here today and so without

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further ado i would just like to get

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straight into it because i'm itching to

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go

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so please welcome

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mr kevin knuth

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kevin how are you very good thank you

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thank you for having me no thank you so

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much for for being here um like i was

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just saying i've really been looking

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forward to speaking with you i think you

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have a very important voice um in this

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subject and um yeah

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i i've been saying for quite some time

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that i believe the scientific community

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is is um

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it's really important to the the

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direction of the of the uap issues so um

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yeah let's let's jump straight into it i

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wonder if you could just start off by

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just giving us a bit of a background on

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yourself

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background myself certainly um let's see

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my

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i have a phd in physics

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interesting things so

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so when i first my phd was focused on

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several data analysis techniques while i

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was studying neuroscience that um and

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uh a good friend of mine we it was

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i was actually at a neuroscience

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conference in washington dc and and one

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of my friends um

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who is an astrophysicist i went i

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visited was visiting her and her husband

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is an astronomer

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the conference and um

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and he came home very frustrated because

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he was designing what's called a fourier

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transform spectrometer and he was going

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shifts in spectra due to um doppler

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to fight earth-like planets and he was

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having he had designed this

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fourier transform spectrometer and was

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this would be much better and will

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um peak in arizona to go observing

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saratolollo observing and

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he was hoping that i could um take that

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twin observatory like like big kit pink

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so i mean who says no to that you know

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nasa ames research center in the

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intelligent systems division and i took

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ualbany so i've been here at uofnee

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take on other things like uap research

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so excellent oh we're certainly glad to

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have you on board that's for sure i'm

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just giving a quick shout out to dolan's

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bar thank you so much for the kind

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donation

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that always goes back into the show and

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keeps me being able to do this so thank

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you very much

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um so when did your actual interest in

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the ufo subject come about is it

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something from from way back or is it

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um a little bit of both i was

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i was i'm just the right age that i was

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12 years old when start star wars came

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groundbreaking at the time and um

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and really inspirational and and at that

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time also so i was a big sci-fi fan of

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mutilation and they're very bizarre and

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to be honest at the time we listened

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politely and when he walked away we i

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mean we laughed our asses off because

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craziest thing you i've ever heard right

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how how would you not hear about this

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how could this be happening and no one

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one studies it and that was my thinking

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possibly be true it's just ridiculous

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lecture on astrobiology for my astronomy

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class and some of the students had asked

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class and i was poking around the

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something intelligent i could say about

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aliens and ufos and the possibilities of

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them visiting earth and

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appropriate place to look right i'm

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being sarcastic

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and so i'm just poking around just

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trying to get some ideas right and what

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how can i approach this you know from a

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that robert hastings had held

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at the national press club where he had

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six people from the air force or

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contractors who

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were

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talking about their encounters with ufos

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um at nuclear weapon sites with them

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shutting down nuclear weapons and i yeah

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and i was

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blown away because i i thought my god i

295
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heard about this

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30 years ago

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from a physics professor who knew people

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at the time who are having these

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problems so

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he claimed this was going on in the late

301
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1980s right but then you have robert

302
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salas here talking about his encounters

303
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with these things

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in 1966 or 65

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mid 60s

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20 years before

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and i thought you don't have

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professionals like this

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don't

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have legends and myths that last

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more than a couple deck you know 20

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decades you know 20 decades is a long

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time for

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there to be some crazy story floating

315
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around about and i thought this can't be

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crazy this has to be real

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and the fact that you know and listening

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to their stories i it really just dawned

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on me that

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or it was you know just really cemented

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in the fact that

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the

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because this is thought of is so

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ridiculous

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no one paid any attention to it and

326
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that's why nobody's no one's treated it

327
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seriously or done anything

328
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and it really impressed upon me the fact

329
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that this could be a really serious

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problem and we don't know anything about

331
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it we're we're as knowledgeable about

332
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ufos today as we were in 1947 it seems

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talking to

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people like lou elizondo and this

335
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privately it doesn't seem like we know

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that much more than we did in the 40s

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which is really pretty scary

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yeah absolutely

339
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but um you've been doing quite a lot of

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work

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oh i'm actually getting a bit of

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feedback now

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are you able to grab your headphones at

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all

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um

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no that's absolutely fine it's coming

347
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back at me now

348
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thank you

349
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sorry everybody in the chat we did a

350
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little test before the interview and

351
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everything sounded alright but i'm

352
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getting some serious feedback right now

353
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so please bear with me

354
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um oh i'll just quickly

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shout out the signal and yep signal dan

356
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has got a amazing fundraiser up at the

357
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moment

358
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uh the link is there go and check it out

359
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you can win a sign luelezando poster an

360
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nft

361
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and the highest owner gets a personal

362
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phone call from the man himself so

363
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go and support that it's for two

364
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incredible causes so yeah

365
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[Music]

366
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all right here we go headset

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is coming

368
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thank you so much i appreciate it

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removed my mouse dongle which isn't

370
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helpful there it is

371
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can you hear me okay

372
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yes i can hear you can you hear me all

373
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right absolutely absolutely fine thank

374
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you so much for that i really appreciate

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it

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comes to this subject um

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first of all could you talk about the

378
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reasons why you think interstellar

379
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why it's not uncommon

380
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i don't know i guess that's mostly from

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we are naturally humans are naturally

382
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explorers so i think that

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you know we've explored every

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every corner of the globe

385
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um

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but we've you know we've explored you

387
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know and populated most of the land mass

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on earth except for parts of antarctica

389
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and we're

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working to study the oceans we're

391
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working to get to the moon we're working

392
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to go to mars we've explored our solar

393
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system with robotic probes

394
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um this seems to be a natural thing for

395
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us to do and it certainly is tied to

396
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survival um

397
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if you can if you're resilient enough to

398
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be able to live in different climates

399
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that resiliency

400
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is going to assist your survival

401
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increase your survival probability and

402
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so

403
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um certainly colonizing mars

404
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is

405
00:16:03,670 --> 00:16:01,519
you know as elon musk has pointed out it

406
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gives us two planets to live on gives

407
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doubles our chances of survival and i

408
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think that

409
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that any species that

410
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does this um or

411
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can explore and is that resilient is

412
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going to just keep reaching out and keep

413
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going and the stars are the next natural

414
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place to go

415
00:16:24,949 --> 00:16:21,680
yeah now that makes makes a lot of sense

416
00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:24,959
thank you um let's break down um your

417
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:26,320
work that you've been doing on

418
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estimations of uap speeds um and

419
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accelerations and how it

420
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possibly relates to some estimates that

421
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were done in the 1950s as well

422
00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:36,399
right

423
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so

424
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when i decided that i really wanted to

425
00:16:47,030 --> 00:16:44,480
study these things

426
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:47,040
you are immediately run up against the

427
00:16:51,030 --> 00:16:49,600
problem and that there is a paucity of

428
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data there's

429
00:16:55,269 --> 00:16:53,920
there's really is no data to work with

430
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um you have

431
00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:57,199
mostly have anecdotes to work through

432
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with work from

433
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and

434
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so

435
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,039
what

436
00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:13,439
i did was thought well let's let's get

437
00:17:20,630 --> 00:17:15,760
some idea of what we're probably dealing

438
00:17:21,829 --> 00:17:20,640
with here and so and this is really i i

439
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basically

440
00:17:28,630 --> 00:17:26,559
doing my homework as a physicist you

441
00:17:31,029 --> 00:17:28,640
know what are we looking at here what

442
00:17:33,110 --> 00:17:31,039
let's get some estimates of how how

443
00:17:35,510 --> 00:17:33,120
these things move how

444
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:35,520
how anomalous are they

445
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,960
um what are we

446
00:17:40,710 --> 00:17:38,720
are they move flying at hundreds of

447
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miles an hour thousands of miles an hour

448
00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:43,120
tens of thousands miles an hour at this

449
00:17:46,630 --> 00:17:45,440
point it's not clear until you actually

450
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,640
look at this

451
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so the only thing you do have to work

452
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from is is

453
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:53,200
anecdotal data sure we like to call it

454
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anik data um

455
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:01,350
now of course you know a lot of

456
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:03,280
overly skeptical scientists will then

457
00:18:07,909 --> 00:18:05,120
question every

458
00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:07,919
anecdote that's ever been

459
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:09,360
um reported

460
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and

461
00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:14,880
some cases yeah things are questionable

462
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:17,760
but there are some cases where

463
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:18,880
you can

464
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:21,840
legitimately ask how wrong could the

465
00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:23,520
observers have been

466
00:18:26,230 --> 00:18:24,240
yeah

467
00:18:28,470 --> 00:18:26,240
um and especially when it comes to

468
00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:28,480
professionals like fighter pilots

469
00:18:31,750 --> 00:18:30,000
fighter pilots are

470
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well trained

471
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um millions of tens of millions of

472
00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:35,520
dollars go into their training they have

473
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:37,840
thousands of hours of flight experience

474
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they're trained to be able to identify

475
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uh to be able to spot and identify

476
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:44,640
aircraft

477
00:18:49,110 --> 00:18:46,720
um at different distances they're trying

478
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,120
to be able to estimate those distances

479
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,200
um this is all very important for the

480
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:54,240
life of a fighter pilot and

481
00:18:59,029 --> 00:18:57,280
so when a pilot sees something anomalous

482
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,039
like this and reports it you can

483
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,280
legitimately ask how wrong do you think

484
00:19:05,909 --> 00:19:03,039
they can be

485
00:19:08,950 --> 00:19:05,919
so this tic-tac-shaped object

486
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you know that was observed in the 2004

487
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:11,520
nimitz encounters

488
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:12,480
the

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size of an f-18

490
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so

491
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:23,679
this is about 40 they estimated about 40

492
00:19:27,669 --> 00:19:26,080
feet in length and f-18 is like 50 feet

493
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:27,679
57 maybe

494
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um

495
00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:33,830
so really how wrong could the pilots

496
00:19:38,150 --> 00:19:35,840
have been could these have been four

497
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,160
foot long craft as some people have

498
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:40,559
claimed you know little drones

499
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:42,160
um well you're not going to see a four

500
00:19:46,390 --> 00:19:45,280
foot long craft from 20 000 feet

501
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,400
a lot of the

502
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the problems with a lot of this over

503
00:19:52,630 --> 00:19:50,799
skepticism is it relies on cherry

504
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,640
picking the data

505
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,799
cherry picking the anic data that

506
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they're being presented

507
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and they explain one little aspect of

508
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that

509
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:02,400
and their explanation doesn't at all

510
00:20:07,510 --> 00:20:05,760
extend to the other

511
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,520
examples so

512
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:10,000
so that's really problematic

513
00:20:14,549 --> 00:20:11,919
so no these things couldn't have been

514
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,559
four feet long and they very probably

515
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:16,559
were around 40 feet

516
00:20:20,149 --> 00:20:18,240
could they have been off by 10

517
00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:20,159
certainly

518
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:22,000
so yeah they could have been anywhere

519
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:25,919
from 36 feet to 44 feet fine could they

520
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,679
be off by 20

521
00:20:30,710 --> 00:20:29,440
possible right

522
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so

523
00:20:44,710 --> 00:20:43,200
we attempted to do in that paper and of

524
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:44,720
course we chose

525
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:51,590
either additional data or

526
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videos or some other kind of

527
00:20:57,390 --> 00:20:56,000
confirmations so the first case we

528
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:57,400
looked at was the

529
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:00,559
1951 encounter with graham that bethune

530
00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:04,000
off the coast of newfoundland

531
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and

532
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,480
that in that case they had a large

533
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,720
metallic disk that they estimated to be

534
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300 feet across

535
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:15,360
came up from the either below the ocean

536
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:17,840
surface or at the ocean surface down

537
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:20,159
down near the surface came up to their

538
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,360
altitude in a fraction of a second

539
00:21:28,070 --> 00:21:26,159
at 10 000 feet right so that's a

540
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,080
so you're basically going from vertical

541
00:21:33,190 --> 00:21:30,799
rest to accelerating and then you have

542
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:33,200
to decelerate to stop right so

543
00:21:37,669 --> 00:21:35,200
so you can put a bound

544
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,679
on the minimum acceleration that you

545
00:21:41,510 --> 00:21:39,440
would need to do this

546
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:41,520
and that's what we attempted to do in

547
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:42,720
that paper

548
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:47,360
acceleration so the minimum acceleration

549
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,039
happens when you

550
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,000
accelerate from zero

551
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:54,320
with a constant acceleration

552
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,880
to the midpoint and then you decelerate

553
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,640
with the same acceleration until you

554
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:00,960
stop

555
00:22:03,830 --> 00:22:02,720
that gives you the minimum acceleration

556
00:22:06,070 --> 00:22:03,840
can you

557
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,080
traverse this distance any differently

558
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:08,480
well of course you could accelerate at a

559
00:22:11,830 --> 00:22:10,240
super high rate and then travel at a

560
00:22:13,990 --> 00:22:11,840
very high constant speed till you get to

561
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:14,000
the top and then decelerate at a much

562
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,200
higher rate

563
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:17,520
but that's a higher acceleration than

564
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:18,880
than the one where you accelerate to the

565
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,400
midpoint and then

566
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:22,640
decelerate the rest of the way

567
00:22:28,230 --> 00:22:26,640
so all of the estimates we made were

568
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,240
are understood to be minimum

569
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,559
accelerations

570
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:31,919
and um

571
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,000
and that's an imp so that's an important

572
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,480
point and then the idea was that these

573
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:38,000
cases

574
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:39,760
they probably couldn't have been off

575
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,320
more than about 10 so we use something

576
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:44,400
like a 10 percent error in all of these

577
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:46,159
cases right

578
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:47,039
um

579
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,320
so for the case with graham bethune

580
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,320
some craft

581
00:22:56,070 --> 00:22:53,760
the

582
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:56,080
most probable acceleration was estimated

583
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,799
to be about 1700 times the acceleration

584
00:23:02,630 --> 00:23:00,720
of gravity so

585
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:02,640
so you're looking at a thousand seven

586
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,280
hundred times acceleration of gravity

587
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:07,360
and which is

588
00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:10,720
crazy um um you don't you you don't

589
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:13,200
expect to see things like that right

590
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,320
so so how wrong would the how wrong

591
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:18,159
would the

592
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:19,039
would

593
00:23:22,470 --> 00:23:20,960
the pilots have to be

594
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,480
for that

595
00:23:28,470 --> 00:23:25,679
acceleration to be more reasonable um

596
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:28,480
maybe 1.7 g acceleration would be

597
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,760
reasonable 17 would be too high 7

598
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:34,240
at 13 and a half g you start ripping

599
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:36,000
wings off airplanes even our fighter

600
00:23:38,070 --> 00:23:37,039
jets

601
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:38,080
so

602
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:43,360
at an accelerate a minimum acceleration

603
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,240
is estimated that is a thousand times

604
00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:48,840
more than what's reasonable

605
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,360
unbelievable and it's unbelievable and

606
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,840
it's going to be very hard to

607
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,600
explain that away

608
00:24:03,190 --> 00:23:57,039
um

609
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:03,200
the either either that or the pilots

610
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,559
have to be

611
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,880
extremely mistaken which is hard to

612
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:08,880
imagine that you can be mistaken to that

613
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,760
degree or or just lying but then you

614
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:13,679
have a plane load and actually other

615
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:15,840
passengers saw the thing too so you've

616
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,279
got a plane load of passengers who

617
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:22,400
witnessed the object as well so

618
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,200
and then they estimated it to leave the

619
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,960
the thing then took off after some

620
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,480
period of time flying around the plane

621
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,159
for a few moments

622
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,120
and they estimated its speed to be

623
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:35,520
something like um a thousand miles an

624
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,559
hour

625
00:24:40,630 --> 00:24:39,279
um where and it was actually picked up

626
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,640
on radar

627
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,240
um by the

628
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,440
um

629
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:45,600
by a radar station in

630
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,799
um no in nova scotia

631
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:50,159
where

632
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,039
they estimated the speed it was a gander

633
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,799
center radar i'm reading on my paper

634
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:57,120
actually newfoundland canada

635
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:58,799
and they confirmed yeah so they

636
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:00,960
estimated its speed to be

637
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:04,559
about 1500 miles an hour as it left

638
00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:11,510
actually measured its speed at 1800

639
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:13,039
miles an hour

640
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:13,840
so

641
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,039
this thing was

642
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:17,279
you know very

643
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:19,200
it was very fast

644
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:20,480
now

645
00:25:25,669 --> 00:25:23,120
that's important because this happened

646
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:25,679
in 1951

647
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:29,279
and later in the year of 1952

648
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,039
the

649
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:33,200
um

650
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:36,559
you had general uh slade nash was flying

651
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:40,640
a an f-86 sabre d saber

652
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:44,559
and he made the airspeed record in 1952

653
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:47,919
the world air speed record in 1952

654
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,400
was 698 miles an hour right

655
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:54,480
so that's the world speed record two

656
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,880
years after this event and they

657
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,640
and the pilots estimated this thing

658
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,640
leaving at 1500 miles an hour and it was

659
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:02,559
actually measured by radar to be leaving

660
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:05,760
at 1800 miles an hour wow

661
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,240
and you know as

662
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,240
jesse narnis says you've got a lot of

663
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:12,240
splaining to do

664
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,600
you really do

665
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,400
and you can't you can't easily dismiss

666
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,240
all these these cases

667
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:19,919
yeah and and so we looked at the

668
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:22,400
japanese airline case um

669
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,400
in 1986 we looked at the 2004 nimitz

670
00:26:30,149 --> 00:26:27,840
encounters

671
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,159
and there we had the um

672
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,640
both the

673
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:34,559
we had three

674
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:35,520
different

675
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,200
um

676
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:39,200
ways we could estimate accelerations and

677
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,559
speeds one one was using the information

678
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:44,720
from kevin day about the senior chief

679
00:26:49,269 --> 00:26:47,679
kevin day on the uss princeton yeah

680
00:26:51,750 --> 00:26:49,279
with the radar data

681
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:51,760
that where he had observed these things

682
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,279
dropping from 28 000 feet to sea level

683
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:57,440
in 0.78 seconds

684
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:58,240
so

685
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,080
again you can estimate the acceler the

686
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,080
minimum acceleration there and in that

687
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,880
case you're talking over 5000 g's of

688
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:07,760
acceleration

689
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,120
and to give and and you know

690
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:15,200
our machines can't survive that much

691
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,159
less people or biological organisms so

692
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,559
this is very very strange

693
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:22,159
these things are really anomalous

694
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,159
they're not just slightly anomalous or

695
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,399
weird they're beyond that

696
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:28,080
yeah absolutely and with the three navy

697
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:30,640
videos that we all know so well did you

698
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:34,159
use them to try and do analysis as well

699
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,350
because you don't have to to obtain an

700
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,279
estimate of the acceleration you have to

701
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:47,760
have some idea of either the distance to

702
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:51,760
the object or the size of the object

703
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,080
triangulation of some sort yeah you need

704
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,039
some you need some some known distance

705
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,200
so that you can get an acceleration from

706
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:01,360
that because an acceleration is

707
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:03,840
is a distance divided by time squared so

708
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:05,760
you need a distance

709
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,679
and in the nimitz case we were able to

710
00:28:12,310 --> 00:28:09,279
use the 40 feet

711
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:12,320
estimates that the pilots made

712
00:28:17,510 --> 00:28:14,799
now um you can be critical of that and

713
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,520
that's fine but then the then the task

714
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,960
is to

715
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:19,840
take

716
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:20,880
you know

717
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:23,279
if you don't believe in those lengths

718
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,120
then take the link that you do believe

719
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:27,120
in and then see what the acceleration is

720
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:28,080
so

721
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,120
four feet long well

722
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:35,120
do the math the math is actually in the

723
00:28:37,590 --> 00:28:36,720
equations are in the paper you can plug

724
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:37,600
it in

725
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,399
um

726
00:28:43,110 --> 00:28:40,559
but if it was four feet long instead of

727
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:43,120
40 feet long then instead of

728
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:46,799
you know flying away from the f-18 at 78

729
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:47,679
g

730
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:58,080
that you can't possibly be that far in

731
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,240
front of the airplane that's basically

732
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:02,080
keeping pace in front of the jet

733
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:04,720
airplane at about 250 miles an hour yeah

734
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,600
and then accelerates away at 7.8 g and

735
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,320
then this is an infrared video so

736
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,480
where's the exhaust from the propellant

737
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:14,640
or the thrust what how did

738
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:17,039
so even if this thing ex you know did

739
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,919
escape at 7.8 g which is

740
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:22,480
surprising but not horribly unreasonable

741
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,240
a missile can accelerate much faster

742
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:26,080
than that but then you'd expect to see

743
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:27,440
some exhaust and you don't see an

744
00:29:29,750 --> 00:29:28,640
exhaust

745
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,760
yeah

746
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:32,159
and then and then of course there's the

747
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:34,000
there are the claims that oh the go fast

748
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:36,320
video wasn't actually going very fast

749
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,399
well that's fine you know it's one of

750
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:42,480
the problems with

751
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,480
these things is they

752
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,559
that ufos aren't always going very fast

753
00:29:50,789 --> 00:29:48,720
sometimes they stop and they hover or go

754
00:29:53,350 --> 00:29:50,799
at very slow speeds

755
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:53,360
where you can't stay aloft without

756
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,760
some additional form of propulsion to

757
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,640
yeah

758
00:30:01,510 --> 00:29:58,720
you know to provide lift

759
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,520
so that's also problematic um the go

760
00:30:04,470 --> 00:30:03,600
fast video is the one with the little

761
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,480
white

762
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:06,880
dot that's moving cruising along the sea

763
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,559
surface which

764
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:10,159
you know because of parallax it looks

765
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,679
like it's going really fast so it's a

766
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:13,520
fun video to watch

767
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:15,360
but people have claimed that oh it's

768
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,399
probably just a seagull and

769
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,360
and now that's also silly because you

770
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:23,600
have the the fact that this is an

771
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:25,600
infrared video

772
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:27,440
and if you look at the

773
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,640
lower

774
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,039
left corner of the video that it says

775
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:34,320
either wht or blk and that says that

776
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,240
either white is is hot or black is hot

777
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,760
so through most of the video when you

778
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,440
can see this little white thing cruising

779
00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:43,520
along it says blk which means black

780
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,120
things are hot

781
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:47,600
so this white thing is actually cold and

782
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:50,720
it's colder than the sea surface

783
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,399
seagulls aren't colder than the sea

784
00:30:55,669 --> 00:30:54,399
surface

785
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:55,679
so that's

786
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:58,559
also ridiculous so again we see these

787
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:01,440
i'm i'm extremely skeptical a lot of a

788
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:02,559
lot of the

789
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,919
explanations provided by skeptics

790
00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:07,919
yeah i think quite a few of us are but i

791
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:09,200
think it's one of them conversations

792
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:10,640
that just will keep going around in

793
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:13,600
circles for the time being

794
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:17,039
well until until we get until there is

795
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,880
enough um

796
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,320
independently

797
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,760
recorded data

798
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:23,200
and

799
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,679
studying this openly i think that

800
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,760
the conversation will have to change i'm

801
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,080
the um

802
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,840
the scientific community will have their

803
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,080
own discussions and skeptics can

804
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:38,240
complain all they want but they're gonna

805
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:40,080
the skeptics will

806
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,760
fall into the same class as the flat

807
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:44,080
earthers so yeah

808
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:45,679
absolutely i mean mentioning the

809
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,840
scientific community we've seen

810
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:49,919
a lot more of it come to the forefront

811
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,399
in the last especially in the last year

812
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:54,640
yeah but in your experience have you

813
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,360
seen the stigma drop over over that sort

814
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:59,440
of time are the conversations happening

815
00:32:02,070 --> 00:32:01,039
now where they wouldn't have been a few

816
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,080
years ago

817
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:05,279
the stigma has dropped and

818
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:13,190
i mean i would i would have to credit um

819
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,029
elizondo for coming out about atip and

820
00:32:21,350 --> 00:32:18,960
and the us navy

821
00:32:22,870 --> 00:32:21,360
going to congress for assistance um i

822
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,880
think those

823
00:32:27,029 --> 00:32:24,720
those two events were absolutely

824
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,039
enormous um

825
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,960
we didn't get the kind of

826
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:31,120
disclosure you know ufo people didn't

827
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:32,559
get the kind of disclosure that they

828
00:32:36,870 --> 00:32:34,240
were hoping for but

829
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,880
but what did change is it

830
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,279
provided some legitimacy to the

831
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:41,600
phenomenon

832
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:44,320
and that's really the most

833
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,600
difficult

834
00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:47,840
barrier to get over the

835
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:49,440
when you're trying to study something

836
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:51,440
new

837
00:33:02,230 --> 00:32:59,750
usually in science what you're doing is

838
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:02,240
you are you're not trying to

839
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,120
um

840
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:04,960
you're not trying to prove something's

841
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,120
true you're trying to

842
00:33:11,990 --> 00:33:10,080
either rule out possibilities by showing

843
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:12,000
these things aren't true

844
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:13,760
other things aren't true that these

845
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:16,240
things aren't explanations or you are

846
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:18,000
trying to characterize you know the

847
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:21,039
phenomena that you're studying

848
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,559
and

849
00:33:27,430 --> 00:33:25,120
that's one of the differentiating

850
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:27,440
features between pseudoscience and

851
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:29,519
science and pseudoscience people are

852
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:31,679
typically trying to prove something's

853
00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:32,880
true

854
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,880
which is not really how we work in

855
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:35,840
science

856
00:33:41,350 --> 00:33:39,120
so it's one of those those features that

857
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,360
is for scientists is kind of a red flag

858
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:42,960
that suggests oh this looks like

859
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:45,440
pseudoscience now the problem with a new

860
00:33:50,389 --> 00:33:47,919
phenomenon you know like

861
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:50,399
you know ufos were to the collective

862
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,720
consciousness in the 1940s

863
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:54,640
is that

864
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:57,279
you had to first show that this is a

865
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,399
real phenomenon that you can study

866
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:02,559
absolutely and so

867
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:05,279
a lot of the early work has to be to

868
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:08,000
prove that this is a real phenomenon

869
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:11,919
and that activity looks to scientists a

870
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,560
lot like pseudoscience

871
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,430
and and and in the 1940s i mean this is

872
00:34:23,589 --> 00:34:21,440
so that's that's

873
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:23,599
that's not when ufos started at all i

874
00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:26,240
mean we have ufo reports go back well

875
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,079
into this 1800s 1700s and they

876
00:34:33,349 --> 00:34:32,000
and in some of those cases they were

877
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:33,359
actually published in scientific

878
00:34:39,829 --> 00:34:34,480
journals

879
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,839
were astronomical phenomena right

880
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,800
and

881
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:42,320
um

882
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:45,280
but by the time we get to 1947

883
00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:49,040
and actually 1947 was unique in several

884
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:51,200
ways in that you had

885
00:34:54,550 --> 00:34:52,000
um

886
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:54,560
in june and july of 1947 you had

887
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:56,639
multiple prominent sightings that were

888
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:58,000
reported

889
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,040
and then by the 1940s by the late 1940s

890
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:03,520
you have you have

891
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:05,359
global news which

892
00:35:10,230 --> 00:35:08,400
you know didn't exist um

893
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,240
didn't exist certainly in the 1800s

894
00:35:12,870 --> 00:35:11,760
right so you had radio you had

895
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:12,880
television

896
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,880
you could propagate stories like this

897
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:16,640
much faster

898
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:19,040
and we were much more more organized in

899
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,400
doing that so so that's really when ufos

900
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:23,920
came into the

901
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,880
public consciousness

902
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,119
but they've been here throughout human

903
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,200
history it really appears

904
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:32,720
and

905
00:35:40,390 --> 00:35:38,800
mean so the first event you had you had

906
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:40,400
um

907
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,359
kenneth kenneth arnold yep kenneth

908
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,520
arnold was seeing the saucers at

909
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,520
mount rainier you then had the roswell

910
00:35:53,349 --> 00:35:51,119
crash you had the

911
00:35:57,550 --> 00:35:53,359
event at puget sound

912
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:57,560
uh those were all in all in july of

913
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,040
1947 you also had two other crashes it

914
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,839
seems in new mexico the one at corona

915
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:05,520
and then the um

916
00:36:11,430 --> 00:36:08,880
the one at um san agustin plains

917
00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:11,440
so you've got a lot of activity going on

918
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:14,560
in 1947 so that's really when we became

919
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,160
aware that wow there's something

920
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:18,000
interesting here

921
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:18,960
and

922
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,680
at the time the extraterrestrial

923
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:23,680
hypothesis

924
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:28,800
really does seem ridiculous because

925
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,480
1947 you were still 10 years out 10

926
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:34,960
years before sputnik

927
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,280
yeah so we were not flying in space

928
00:36:43,430 --> 00:36:40,720
nobody flew in space in 1947 it was not

929
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:43,440
known that it was possible really

930
00:36:49,349 --> 00:36:44,240
and

931
00:36:53,190 --> 00:36:49,359
up until two weeks before sputnik the um

932
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:53,200
the astronomer royale uh in of the uk

933
00:36:57,910 --> 00:36:55,119
had made a statement that space travel

934
00:36:59,349 --> 00:36:57,920
is bunk he said this two weeks before

935
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:59,359
sputnik so

936
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,240
so

937
00:37:04,150 --> 00:37:02,560
many scientists did not believe that

938
00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:04,160
space travel was

939
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,000
possible or reasonable even in 1957

940
00:37:13,270 --> 00:37:10,720
right before sputnik um

941
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:13,280
but this was back in 1947 so now you've

942
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,280
got the hypothesis maybe these are

943
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,520
visitors from another planet but

944
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:19,119
most scientists don't believe you can

945
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:20,960
try you know not sure you can actually

946
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,560
travel in space

947
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:24,800
and then second the next point is we

948
00:37:29,589 --> 00:37:26,960
didn't know what the other planets are

949
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:29,599
actually like you know we had some idea

950
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:31,280
of what their atmospheres were like but

951
00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,000
that

952
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:34,160
we hadn't actually sent you know of

953
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,000
course we hadn't sent probes to mars yet

954
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,760
or any of the other planets so we don't

955
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,119
actually know what the other planets are

956
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:41,280
like we don't know if they can support

957
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,320
life

958
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:44,240
we knew that the moon couldn't at this

959
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,520
point we knew that there was no

960
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:47,520
atmosphere on the moon so

961
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,760
um

962
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,079
and then we didn't know that there were

963
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,160
planets around other stars you know we

964
00:37:57,750 --> 00:37:55,680
didn't discover planets around other

965
00:38:00,310 --> 00:37:57,760
stars until the first one or two were

966
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:00,320
discovered in the 1990s

967
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:03,760
and another 50 years later right so

968
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:05,599
so there was really no

969
00:38:12,069 --> 00:38:08,000
scientific basis for the

970
00:38:14,069 --> 00:38:12,079
extraterrestrial hypothesis in 1947 so

971
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:14,079
you can see why

972
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:17,440
that didn't fly in 1947 and then

973
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,200
the topic became taboo because it just

974
00:38:25,510 --> 00:38:24,000
seemed so ridiculous you had fifty ten

975
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:25,520
years for it to

976
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,200
become ridiculous um yeah the 1952 wave

977
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,680
again five years before sputnik

978
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,040
and so

979
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:35,040
by this time the whole topic was taboo

980
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:36,000
and so

981
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:37,520
once we did

982
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:40,720
started flying in space and um

983
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,720
it's been hard for us to recover from

984
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,560
that you know that

985
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:46,800
that predisposition we've all been we've

986
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,720
all been told since we were kids that

987
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:51,119
ufos are not real and they're ridiculous

988
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,920
right

989
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,720
yeah

990
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,160
and that's interstellar travel is

991
00:38:59,270 --> 00:38:56,640
impossible and blah blah blah

992
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:59,280
and it's not actually but it's

993
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,119
we're working on it we're working to

994
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,839
develop interstellar craft nasa's nasa

995
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,599
has a plan to

996
00:39:10,430 --> 00:39:08,240
get the first probes to the near star

997
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,440
alpha centauri by

998
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:13,440
2069 for the 100 year anniversary of the

999
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:15,599
moon landings so

1000
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,880
so

1001
00:39:21,910 --> 00:39:19,200
wow that's incredible we're we're we're

1002
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,920
also new we also we're also rather

1003
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:24,400
arrogant we're rather new at flying i

1004
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:25,920
mean we've only been flying for a

1005
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:27,760
century yeah

1006
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,040
and and for us to then

1007
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:33,119
mentally put bounds on what's possible

1008
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,960
and impossible is really pretty

1009
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:36,640
ridiculous

1010
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:39,599
lord calvin in the late 1800s said that

1011
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:40,640
um

1012
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,960
heavier than air flying machines are

1013
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,520
impossible and so that was the late

1014
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,000
1800s so

1015
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:51,040
physicists are very bad at predicting

1016
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,599
um engineering advances and the reason

1017
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:56,000
why is because engineering the whole

1018
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:58,160
point of engineering is to come up with

1019
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,520
a clever

1020
00:40:05,190 --> 00:40:01,440
way to use

1021
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,200
physics to work around problems right

1022
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,200
so you can't use the fact that there's a

1023
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,760
problem to limit in you know your

1024
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:11,680
expectations of what engineering can and

1025
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,520
can't do the trick is to find a

1026
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:16,079
workaround right yeah

1027
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:17,680
absolutely now there's been a lot of

1028
00:40:21,510 --> 00:40:19,839
hypotheses flying around and even

1029
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,520
probably more so these these last few

1030
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:23,040
months and this year

1031
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,119
but i believe you've actually got a

1032
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:27,680
favored hypothesis that

1033
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,240
um it's similar to even nasa the lasso

1034
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:32,480
administrator bill nelson you know he's

1035
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,599
said a lot of things on the matter

1036
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:35,680
recently and i think your hypothesis

1037
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:37,119
ties into that can you break that down

1038
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,119
for us a bit

1039
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:41,440
um for for what do you mean in with

1040
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,640
regard to the extraterrestrial

1041
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,599
hypothesis or or i don't know i i i just

1042
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:47,200
see that you ha you have a favored

1043
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,560
hypothesis

1044
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:49,599
um

1045
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,520
and i think

1046
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,800
something you wrote somewhere is that

1047
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:55,040
it's similar or it falls in line with

1048
00:40:57,670 --> 00:40:56,160
some of the some of the things that bill

1049
00:41:05,190 --> 00:40:57,680
nelson has recently

1050
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:08,630
right so i think that

1051
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:10,400
at this point it's rather clear that

1052
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:11,599
this

1053
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:12,560
these

1054
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:18,319
things are probably correct that some of

1055
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,960
these things are craft now of course

1056
00:41:24,390 --> 00:41:22,160
not all

1057
00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,400
unidentified

1058
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:26,880
flying objects are

1059
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:30,000
alien spacecraft or craft at all some

1060
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,960
some of them very possibly could be

1061
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:34,800
aerial phenomenon or atmospheric

1062
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:36,800
phenomena that hasn't been studied yet

1063
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:39,760
or it hasn't been recognized

1064
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:40,640
so

1065
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:45,280
complications in discussing this

1066
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:47,839
phenomenon because it's not clear

1067
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:50,000
whether it's it's

1068
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,760
it's known that it's not a single

1069
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,920
phenomenon there are

1070
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,760
multiple explanations for different

1071
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:56,800
events

1072
00:42:03,510 --> 00:41:59,599
so two two sightings are you know can't

1073
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:05,190
so

1074
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,880
are craft and

1075
00:42:15,109 --> 00:42:12,800
and from what we know about their speeds

1076
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:15,119
and accelerations is that there's

1077
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:17,839
there's no way that these are human-made

1078
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:18,960
craft

1079
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,319
um there's no

1080
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:22,319
no no country on earth that can do this

1081
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:24,960
no known company that can do this

1082
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:27,440
and um

1083
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:30,480
and i think what's interesting is is

1084
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,280
bill nelson pointed out that we should

1085
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:36,000
be thankful that there's no country that

1086
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,599
can do this because it would be

1087
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,920
disastrous

1088
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:41,040
at these

1089
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,839
these accelerations and

1090
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,880
speeds um

1091
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,160
oh when i didn't i didn't get to

1092
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,720
mentioning the speed the speed for in

1093
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:51,119
the case of the 5000 g acceleration in

1094
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:52,720
the nimitz case when the tic tacs

1095
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:55,680
dropped from 28 000 feet to sea level

1096
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:57,119
the

1097
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:00,640
top speed about halfway down is about 45

1098
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:03,280
000 miles an hour

1099
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:04,240
so

1100
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:07,520
this thing accelerates from

1101
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:10,480
zero vertical speed to

1102
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,760
45 000 miles an hour in about a third of

1103
00:43:16,950 --> 00:43:15,280
a second

1104
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:16,960
and then a little more than a third of a

1105
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,119
second and then decelerates to zero in

1106
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,000
another third of a second yeah and forty

1107
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,839
five thousand miles an hour is about how

1108
00:43:27,670 --> 00:43:25,200
fast the

1109
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,680
new horizons probe that we sent to pluto

1110
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:29,200
is going

1111
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:30,000
wow

1112
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,520
so

1113
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,560
when people ask me well why do why do

1114
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:35,920
some people think these things are

1115
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,319
spaceships and the answer is simple

1116
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,480
because they move at speeds that

1117
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,400
spacecraft move

1118
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,560
that's it

1119
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:46,640
completely reasonable to think that they

1120
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,119
could be spaceships because they move at

1121
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,920
the requisite velocities

1122
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,520
and so

1123
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,520
i think that's very simple

1124
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,280
so so it really does appear that these

1125
00:44:01,270 --> 00:44:00,000
things could be spacecraft

1126
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,280
if they could maintain these

1127
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:03,280
accelerations in a vacuum they could

1128
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:04,640
easily

1129
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:06,800
reach um

1130
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:08,560
reach relativistic speeds you know

1131
00:44:12,550 --> 00:44:10,720
speeds close to the speed of light in

1132
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:12,560
very reasonable periods of time within a

1133
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:14,720
few hours typically

1134
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,960
depending of course on the acceleration

1135
00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:19,359
yeah so so and i think the the

1136
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:20,960
interesting thing that bill nelson

1137
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:23,520
pointed out at um you know so at these

1138
00:44:30,069 --> 00:44:26,240
speeds um

1139
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:30,079
so 45 000 miles an hour is about mach 60

1140
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,520
6-0

1141
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:33,040
and um

1142
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,430
the

1143
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:39,760
wow i'm spacing on what i was gonna say

1144
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:42,480
precisely but all right yeah so at that

1145
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:45,359
but at that speed you can get from new

1146
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:47,119
york to london

1147
00:44:52,630 --> 00:44:50,880
in around five to ten minutes

1148
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,640
wow so

1149
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,720
you know load one of these things with

1150
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:57,440
nuclear weapons you can get anywhere in

1151
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:59,680
the world in

1152
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,640
less than an hour which gives

1153
00:45:07,589 --> 00:45:04,640
almost no time for

1154
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:07,599
um preparation you know if they're for

1155
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,400
an attack so you can't

1156
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,480
so it would be very dangerous um if

1157
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:14,880
another country or our country if

1158
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,200
anybody's country had and had these

1159
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:18,800
objects

1160
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:22,240
and with these capabilities so

1161
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:25,760
that may very well be the

1162
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,880
the

1163
00:45:32,870 --> 00:45:28,800
angle that

1164
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,880
our government needed to

1165
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,200
disclose the fact that these things are

1166
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:36,400
non-human

1167
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:38,560
technologies

1168
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:44,829
making sure that people don't panic

1169
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,599
right yeah yeah they're not they're

1170
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:49,359
non-human technologies and you should be

1171
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,200
glad because humans are really scary and

1172
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,200
if humans have these we should be if the

1173
00:45:56,309 --> 00:45:54,800
chinese had these or the russians had

1174
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,319
these or you know the americans had

1175
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,800
these whoever you happen to be we should

1176
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:01,520
you would be worried so but

1177
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,520
thank god the people don't have this

1178
00:46:06,870 --> 00:46:05,920
technology and i think that's maybe

1179
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:06,880
maybe

1180
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:09,440
you know that seemed to me to be

1181
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:12,160
an out for them right and

1182
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,400
a chance for them to disclose some of

1183
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,480
this without people panicking

1184
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:18,000
absolutely

1185
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:27,589
the other thing is that the

1186
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,670
language has changed slightly they've

1187
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,839
gone from

1188
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:34,079
calling them possibly alien or

1189
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:38,880
extraterrestrial to non-human yeah

1190
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:41,760
and that's interesting i i picked up on

1191
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:46,480
that from another source as well and um

1192
00:46:53,829 --> 00:46:52,790
the question then is that

1193
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:53,839
well

1194
00:46:56,290 --> 00:46:54,880
why

1195
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,300
that language change

1196
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:58,640
[Music]

1197
00:47:03,030 --> 00:47:00,880
extraterrestrial would typically mean

1198
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,040
they come from another planet

1199
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,200
so if you're changing it to non-human

1200
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,960
you're either being

1201
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,960
more careful and not making an

1202
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:10,400
assumption about where they're from

1203
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,000
because we don't know

1204
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,319
or um or maybe you do have some

1205
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:15,599
information about where they're from and

1206
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,880
you know that they're not from another

1207
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:18,240
planet so

1208
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:20,000
so there's it's one or the one or the

1209
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:20,720
other

1210
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:23,599
right and i think that latter

1211
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,670
so once i realized how fast these

1212
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:34,400
craft move it made me

1213
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,790
interstellar travel more how how could

1214
00:47:46,549 --> 00:47:43,599
that work what what would actually be

1215
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:46,559
necessary to

1216
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,520
be an interstellar traveling

1217
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:51,440
race

1218
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,359
and so i had

1219
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:56,400
done some simulations of

1220
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:58,559
interstellar colonization

1221
00:48:00,390 --> 00:47:59,359
right

1222
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:00,400
and i

1223
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,880
had aimed to publish these but it's just

1224
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,040
not to that point yet there was

1225
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,920
some work done by some other astronomers

1226
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:09,440
where they had

1227
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,680
done something similar

1228
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,079
they'd done some similar um simulations

1229
00:48:17,829 --> 00:48:15,920
and got similar results but they took

1230
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:17,839
into account the fact that the

1231
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:21,680
stars in the galaxy are moving and i i

1232
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:24,079
didn't account for that because i was

1233
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:26,400
i had a different goal in mind so and i

1234
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,359
needed to do lots of simulations so

1235
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,520
so i ended up doing several million some

1236
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,200
simulations of

1237
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,520
interstellar colonizing

1238
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:37,680
societies

1239
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:39,359
and what i did is i kept track of the

1240
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:41,920
ones that found earth so i ran several

1241
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:43,359
million of these i kept track of the

1242
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,760
ones that found earth and then i

1243
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:47,760
could do statistics on their

1244
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,760
characteristics to figure out what

1245
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,960
characteristics are necessary

1246
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,640
for finding earth

1247
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,119
and um

1248
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,960
and so the results you know and i'll

1249
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:00,559
call these preliminary results they're

1250
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,839
interesting because first it

1251
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:06,000
it's clear that finding earth is hard to

1252
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,880
do

1253
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,880
and

1254
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:11,119
it's in my simulations it was coming out

1255
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:13,960
to be about one out of eight million

1256
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:16,960
civilizations that are active in

1257
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,319
colonizing

1258
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,160
interstellar

1259
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,720
colonizing star systems

1260
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:24,800
only one out of eight million ever finds

1261
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:27,520
earth wow so

1262
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:30,559
so that suggests already that if anyone

1263
00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:32,800
has ever found earth if we can ever

1264
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:33,720
prove that there have been

1265
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:35,599
extraterrestrials here

1266
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:37,280
then there have

1267
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:38,640
got to be

1268
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,800
on the order of

1269
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:42,480
over a million

1270
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,800
interstellar colonizing civilizations in

1271
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:46,960
our galaxy

1272
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,200
so take that um drake equation

1273
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,839
that's a whole as a whole other

1274
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:56,160
um level right so

1275
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,319
yeah so i'm not working on beefing up my

1276
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,160
simulations and making them more

1277
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,640
accurate so i can get um better numbers

1278
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:05,280
and i'd like to publish that

1279
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:07,760
the other interesting things are that

1280
00:50:15,510 --> 00:50:14,549
that the speeds you need to attain

1281
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,520
aren't

1282
00:50:19,910 --> 00:50:17,119
horribly great

1283
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:19,920
depending on how resilient you are about

1284
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,680
being able to set up um a base or

1285
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,920
some kind of home or live on a planet in

1286
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,520
another star system

1287
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:30,319
if you're very resilient then you can

1288
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,280
travel at speeds as low as you know 10

1289
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,280
percent the speed of light or 20 the

1290
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:36,720
speed of light which

1291
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,960
is still for us unattainable but of

1292
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:41,200
course

1293
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:43,200
but the

1294
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,119
but you can then

1295
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,119
perform interstellar colonization if

1296
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,440
you're very resilient in those cases now

1297
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,040
of course in most of my simulations i

1298
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:52,960
think it was like 60 percent of the

1299
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:56,000
societies never left their solar system

1300
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:56,720
so

1301
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,359
that's why you have to run lots of

1302
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:01,520
simulations right and then then the ones

1303
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:02,480
who do

1304
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,319
still one out of eight million find

1305
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,400
earth so you've got to run even more

1306
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,200
wow right so now they

1307
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:12,640
so the ones that did find earth you can

1308
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:14,800
estimate about how long ago they found

1309
00:51:23,430 --> 00:51:19,119
earth and that turns out to have a

1310
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:23,440
an average of about 200 000 years

1311
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,920
so on average

1312
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,559
so if an extraterrestrial system

1313
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:31,119
civilization finds earth then they

1314
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:33,839
probably found earth about 200

1315
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:37,359
250 000 years ago

1316
00:51:42,549 --> 00:51:39,359
so they've probably been here or known

1317
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,559
about earth throughout human history

1318
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:45,200
now interestingly that tracks with what

1319
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,240
we see

1320
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:48,160
you know with ufo reports because you've

1321
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:49,119
got

1322
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,200
flying shields reported by roman

1323
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,520
historians and things like this

1324
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,920
so this has been going on a long time

1325
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:57,359
and

1326
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,359
extraterrestrial it's very possible they

1327
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,599
found earth a long time ago

1328
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:05,760
now there's some consequences to this

1329
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,390
because

1330
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,559
there are those who colonize and then

1331
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:14,880
there are those who are colonized right

1332
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,640
those those who are on the business end

1333
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,800
of colonization find things to be rather

1334
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:20,160
difficult

1335
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:22,720
the colonizers typically believe that

1336
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,400
they own what they find right sure

1337
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:28,559
look at how europeans feel about north

1338
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:30,240
america right

1339
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,720
this is our country all right we found

1340
00:52:35,430 --> 00:52:34,240
it it's ours

1341
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,440
right so

1342
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,880
and then you have all the people who are

1343
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,960
on the business end of colonization who

1344
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:40,800
are like whoa whoa wait a minute no

1345
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:42,720
that's not how it should work

1346
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,000
um

1347
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:46,800
but we could very well be in a situation

1348
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:48,800
where

1349
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:49,680
these

1350
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,119
peoples have

1351
00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:54,319
discovered earth 200 000 years ago and

1352
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:56,720
they really truly believe it's their

1353
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,160
planet

1354
00:53:01,670 --> 00:53:00,160
um there could be bases here they could

1355
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,680
live here

1356
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,160
and i really suspect that's probably

1357
00:53:08,790 --> 00:53:07,200
more likely than visiting um carl sagan

1358
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:08,800
had pointed out at one point i think

1359
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,680
correctly i he said i'd be surprised if

1360
00:53:16,309 --> 00:53:13,040
if you had

1361
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:16,319
multiple ships visiting our planet every

1362
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,280
year

1363
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,040
interstellar travel is going to be

1364
00:53:22,870 --> 00:53:21,200
relatively difficult still but so why

1365
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,880
would you have multiple ships visiting

1366
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:24,079
per year

1367
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,520
and um

1368
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,880
and i think the answer to that is

1369
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:29,280
they're not visiting they live here i

1370
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,040
think that's probably the the most

1371
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,000
likely situation at that point

1372
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:36,559
and that also could very well be why

1373
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:37,359
um

1374
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,280
point it could be that

1375
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:43,359
that we might have evidence that they do

1376
00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:44,480
live here

1377
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:46,400
yeah when you consider their responses

1378
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,280
to military activity so you know the

1379
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:50,880
soviets had

1380
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,880
used military activity to try to lure ua

1381
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:57,359
ufos in or uap is in

1382
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,319
and so um so they would move ships and

1383
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,720
military equipment and

1384
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:05,040
you know within

1385
00:54:10,069 --> 00:54:08,480
ufos well

1386
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:10,079
those ufos aren't coming from another

1387
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:12,400
star system they're coming from our star

1388
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,359
system

1389
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:15,200
so they're here already

1390
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:16,960
and

1391
00:54:20,710 --> 00:54:19,119
yeah now that makes sense i mean that's

1392
00:54:22,870 --> 00:54:20,720
one of the big hypotheses that they come

1393
00:54:24,950 --> 00:54:22,880
out of the oceans or they you know or

1394
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,960
they're in a dimension that is close to

1395
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,200
us that we just cannot see you know

1396
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:29,040
as a human being so i think that's

1397
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:31,119
probably the case and i think that you

1398
00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,839
know

1399
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,440
the the the

1400
00:54:37,349 --> 00:54:35,920
their activities with our nuclear

1401
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:37,359
weapons

1402
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:41,040
and in their interference in military

1403
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,720
operations

1404
00:54:48,789 --> 00:54:44,880
which has been increasing

1405
00:54:53,349 --> 00:54:50,870
it suggests to me

1406
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:53,359
my concern is that they

1407
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,359
they see this planet as theirs and um we

1408
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:00,559
are now we've probably had this ex we've

1409
00:55:05,829 --> 00:55:03,119
had this great relationship for

1410
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:05,839
you know throughout human history

1411
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:12,069
except for all the probing

1412
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,200
that maybe happens um but but they've

1413
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:17,680
left us alone for the most part and we

1414
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:20,240
didn't know they existed so it's it

1415
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:21,680
worked right

1416
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,640
but now

1417
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:25,280
you know since 1945

1418
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,400
we've

1419
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,480
developed weapons that really are a

1420
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:29,760
danger to

1421
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:32,000
not just ourselves but the planet and

1422
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,480
anybody else who lives here so

1423
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,799
we could very well be seen as a threat

1424
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:38,240
to the

1425
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:39,280
the

1426
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,559
health of this planet at this point and

1427
00:55:46,230 --> 00:55:44,480
and you could very you could have a

1428
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,240
situation where they feel all right now

1429
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:48,240
we we need to do something you know so

1430
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,079
what can we do you know maybe we can go

1431
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,599
shut down some of these missiles maybe

1432
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:53,599
that'll get them to do the right thing

1433
00:55:56,549 --> 00:55:54,400
or

1434
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:56,559
spur them on a bit but

1435
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:59,920
um but i suspect that you know that

1436
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,000
i one of my questions now is that i'd

1437
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:04,720
like to know is there any evidence that

1438
00:56:08,950 --> 00:56:07,520
they have problems with climate change

1439
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:08,960
that they are

1440
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:12,079
working against our

1441
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:14,839
activities that

1442
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:17,839
um exasperate the problem of climate

1443
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,920
change right and that i don't know that

1444
00:56:23,829 --> 00:56:21,599
that i'm you know talking to friends

1445
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:23,839
about seeing if if we ever had any

1446
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,520
evidence of this because if there is

1447
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,720
then then

1448
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,799
then it's very possible that we're going

1449
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:31,920
to come to some kind of

1450
00:56:35,589 --> 00:56:33,839
bumping of heads where they're like whoa

1451
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,599
whoa you guys

1452
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:37,599
you can't do this you can't do that you

1453
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:39,920
gotta calm down and listen

1454
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,839
and humans are very bad at being told

1455
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:43,040
what to do

1456
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:45,280
yeah so um

1457
00:56:50,549 --> 00:56:47,839
so i suspect that we might we might have

1458
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:50,559
some trouble and

1459
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,680
and

1460
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:53,280
it could very well be that we're the

1461
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:56,799
ones in the wrong but yeah absolutely

1462
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,829
one or multiple phenomena the immune

1463
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,440
system failure of an officer in the

1464
00:57:10,549 --> 00:57:07,839
vagina case suggests that contact with

1465
00:57:12,950 --> 00:57:10,559
actual foreign chemistry happened yeah

1466
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,960
absolutely we've heard of that in in

1467
00:57:16,789 --> 00:57:14,880
many aspects of the phenomena over years

1468
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,799
in certain cases so yeah

1469
00:57:20,069 --> 00:57:18,880
you know it it more than likely isn't

1470
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:20,079
just one

1471
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:21,280
type of

1472
00:57:24,150 --> 00:57:23,280
entity being whatever you want to call

1473
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,160
it so

1474
00:57:28,789 --> 00:57:26,720
yeah i mean they're that's that's really

1475
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,799
an interesting point and then the fact

1476
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:30,720
that

1477
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,960
you know if they're non-human

1478
00:57:39,030 --> 00:57:34,880
they might not be

1479
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:39,040
or even from the same civilization we

1480
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,480
don't know we don't know what the

1481
00:57:45,270 --> 00:57:42,799
situation is at this point

1482
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,280
and um

1483
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:46,960
and that's certainly true for the craft

1484
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,440
so when people talk about

1485
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:51,520
you know their theories of how ufos fly

1486
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,440
well that's that's messy because

1487
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,520
there are different kinds of ufos and

1488
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,000
they very well it and it does appear

1489
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:02,480
that they use

1490
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,640
different technologies at different

1491
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:07,520
times for promotion so a single craft

1492
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:09,440
may use multiple technologies for

1493
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:10,799
propulsion

1494
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:13,520
and lift and different craft could very

1495
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,799
well use different technologies we've

1496
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:18,640
i'm working on collecting evidence for

1497
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:20,079
this and that really does appear to be

1498
00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:21,599
the case it's

1499
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,680
it's kind of like you know you go grab a

1500
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:25,839
car off the highway is it is it a

1501
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:28,160
gasoline-powered car is it a diesel car

1502
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,040
as an electric car and they're different

1503
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:33,119
sure so absolutely you have to be

1504
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:34,880
careful not to over generalize when

1505
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,200
you're trying to really study the

1506
00:58:40,630 --> 00:58:38,960
physics of these things

1507
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,640
yeah absolutely so with the work that

1508
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:42,319
you're doing now and the papers that

1509
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,520
you're saying you're wanting to publish

1510
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:45,040
do you have a time scale for those at

1511
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:46,240
all

1512
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:47,520
um

1513
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:49,280
probably i'd like to in the next year

1514
00:58:53,510 --> 00:58:51,119
we'll see how it goes

1515
00:58:56,950 --> 00:58:53,520
there's always so many things going on

1516
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:56,960
so things get pushed off sometimes and

1517
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,839
picked up again and it just says

1518
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:02,160
yeah well also before we go i'd like to

1519
00:59:06,150 --> 00:59:04,000
talk about you apx because i believe

1520
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:06,160
you're now the vice president am i right

1521
00:59:09,990 --> 00:59:08,480
yeah that's correct so i mean that must

1522
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:10,000
you know take time out of your day as

1523
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,440
well when you when you're doing that so

1524
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:13,280
can you tell us how that came about and

1525
00:59:16,549 --> 00:59:14,559
and what your

1526
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:16,559
sort of what you're doing for or with

1527
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,480
you apx let's say

1528
00:59:22,470 --> 00:59:20,880
right so uapx is a non-profit

1529
00:59:23,910 --> 00:59:22,480
organization

1530
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:23,920
focused on

1531
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:27,040
openly studying uaps

1532
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:28,720
we want to

1533
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:31,680
want to find out what they are what

1534
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,839
they're like how they work

1535
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:35,520
all of that good stuff we want to

1536
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:36,799
collect data

1537
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:39,200
on them collect imagery and other data

1538
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,480
and

1539
00:59:45,349 --> 00:59:42,559
the idea is to make it publicly

1540
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:45,359
available so that it can be studied by

1541
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:47,440
scientists

1542
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,589
that's basically what we're doing we

1543
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,200
have had

1544
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:56,160
some success in collecting data already

1545
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:59,359
and we are currently going through that

1546
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,400
data

1547
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,400
and analyzing it ourselves and once

1548
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,640
we've gone through it and

1549
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:06,880
cataloged everything

1550
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,760
our plan is to put it all online so

1551
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:11,680
we have

1552
01:00:15,910 --> 01:00:14,559
several hundred hours of infrared video

1553
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:15,920
footage

1554
01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:17,040
um

1555
01:00:23,589 --> 01:00:20,160
and we have multiple captures in you

1556
01:00:29,190 --> 01:00:25,030
and

1557
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:29,200
data from other instruments as well so

1558
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,960
that's that's what we're up to at uapx

1559
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:34,400
and um

1560
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:38,079
we have a donations link so i'm gonna

1561
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:45,270
i'll make a note of it because i'll put

1562
01:00:48,789 --> 01:00:46,960
it in the description below as well so

1563
01:00:49,589 --> 01:00:48,799
people can go to it after the fact as

1564
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,599
well

1565
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:51,520
yeah so any little bit helps at this

1566
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:53,839
point um because that's all we have is a

1567
01:00:56,549 --> 01:00:54,799
little bit

1568
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:56,559
and

1569
01:01:03,670 --> 01:00:59,359
we can't there's no possibilities for

1570
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:03,680
federal funding yet so the the um

1571
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,920
so right now we rely on donations which

1572
01:01:09,109 --> 01:01:07,359
would be great

1573
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:09,119
and where

1574
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:11,440
um working on at this point we're

1575
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:14,160
working on analyzing the data we have

1576
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:15,680
and getting that to the point where we

1577
01:01:19,829 --> 01:01:18,400
can make it publicly available and then

1578
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,839
we are

1579
01:01:23,109 --> 01:01:21,520
also working on designing new

1580
01:01:25,990 --> 01:01:23,119
instrumentation

1581
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,000
brilliant that's excellent

1582
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:28,480
and i've just got a couple of um

1583
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:29,680
questions which were sent to me through

1584
01:01:32,710 --> 01:01:30,960
instagram if you don't mind me just

1585
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:32,720
quickly

1586
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:34,960
so jonathan asks can can you ask kevin

1587
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:37,520
his thoughts on the recent future human

1588
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,480
narrative

1589
01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:40,880
taking hold i believe he suggested this

1590
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,559
possibility some time ago in a podcast

1591
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:47,280
yeah no that's at this point all

1592
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:49,200
hypotheses have to be on the table

1593
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:50,799
because we really don't know what the

1594
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,150
and that's certainly an interesting

1595
01:02:01,109 --> 01:02:00,319
hypothesis

1596
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:01,119
the

1597
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,400
i i would feel

1598
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:06,960
i'm more hesitant to accept that it's

1599
01:02:10,470 --> 01:02:09,680
only on the basis of time travel in the

1600
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:10,480
past being

1601
01:02:16,789 --> 01:02:11,680
[Music]

1602
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:19,109
and so

1603
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:21,280
so as a physicist i find that harder to

1604
01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,880
accept than the extraterrestrial

1605
01:02:27,029 --> 01:02:24,799
hypothesis or the idea that there are

1606
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:27,039
non-humans living here

1607
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,720
um

1608
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:30,319
and i and i

1609
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,359
and in that spirit i also find the

1610
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:35,280
multiple dimensions to be even less

1611
01:02:38,950 --> 01:02:37,280
probable so

1612
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,960
so

1613
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:40,319
no that's interesting i think that's

1614
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:41,680
like you said all things need to be on

1615
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,359
the table until we

1616
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:46,079
can answer something definitively so

1617
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:47,039
yeah

1618
01:02:53,270 --> 01:02:50,400
and then finally um ldn asks

1619
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:53,280
at the recent aia conference in august

1620
01:02:57,990 --> 01:02:55,599
one of your slides featured a flea video

1621
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:58,000
by david mason showing a trey foil

1622
01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:00,480
shaped object following a jet airplane

1623
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:02,160
can you give us more details on that

1624
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:03,680
video

1625
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,400
right yeah we have this we um david

1626
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:09,119
mason when he when he was with you apx

1627
01:03:15,430 --> 01:03:13,599
or before he was with you apx he had um

1628
01:03:18,069 --> 01:03:15,440
he was experimenting with his flare

1629
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,079
cameras and had captured he's actually

1630
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:20,640
captured multiple uaps

1631
01:03:25,430 --> 01:03:23,760
and um that video is is

1632
01:03:29,990 --> 01:03:25,440
one example

1633
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:30,000
that we looked at closely at uapx and it

1634
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,119
is

1635
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:33,680
so we so you have in the video you have

1636
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:36,160
a um i can probably show it still of

1637
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:38,960
that of the image from that if i can

1638
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:47,750
yeah so in that video you have a

1639
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:51,359
jet airplane that is flying over

1640
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:53,760
um overhead

1641
01:03:57,589 --> 01:03:55,359
and we know

1642
01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:57,599
we know what pat that it's a passenger

1643
01:04:02,309 --> 01:03:59,680
jet and we know what

1644
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,319
company and what flight it is even

1645
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:04,559
we are able to figure that out

1646
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:07,680
and it's but it's being followed by a

1647
01:04:17,470 --> 01:04:14,950
which is really interesting so

1648
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:17,480
and it's interesting because i at the

1649
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:20,799
aia conference where i

1650
01:04:24,870 --> 01:04:23,760
talked about this and and presented that

1651
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,880
imagery

1652
01:04:29,510 --> 01:04:27,280
um i had

1653
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:29,520
also seen

1654
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,190
the talk by um

1655
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:37,200
i talked that ted gave and he talked

1656
01:04:41,589 --> 01:04:39,839
about he was talking about air safety

1657
01:04:43,270 --> 01:04:41,599
and he was talking about

1658
01:04:46,870 --> 01:04:43,280
shadowing

1659
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:46,880
where they were uaps often shadow shadow

1660
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:51,190
i think is that the video there that

1661
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:52,720
i've got up on the screen

1662
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:54,400
oh do you have the video on the screen

1663
01:04:58,470 --> 01:04:55,440
let's see

1664
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:58,480
that is the video yeah so that's the uap

1665
01:05:00,789 --> 01:04:59,280
there

1666
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,799
and it was actually picked up on two

1667
01:05:03,750 --> 01:05:02,000
cameras

1668
01:05:04,710 --> 01:05:03,760
right

1669
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,720
wow

1670
01:05:08,069 --> 01:05:06,319
right and it's a

1671
01:05:10,390 --> 01:05:08,079
yeah when you zoom in on that it's a

1672
01:05:11,910 --> 01:05:10,400
trefoil shaped object i like to joke

1673
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:11,920
that it looks like a

1674
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:14,720
klingon bird of prey

1675
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:16,160
um although i

1676
01:05:18,620 --> 01:05:17,599
certainly hope it's not something like

1677
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:18,630
that

1678
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:22,000
[Laughter]

1679
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:23,200
to the fact that it's following a

1680
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:24,880
passenger jet

1681
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:26,000
um

1682
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,680
and when you when you look at that video

1683
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,520
you realize a few things that airplane

1684
01:05:33,349 --> 01:05:31,520
is very bright which the color scale

1685
01:05:35,029 --> 01:05:33,359
tells the temperature so the airplane is

1686
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:35,039
quite warm

1687
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,119
the thermodynamics of our machines is

1688
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,520
such that they are hot they're always

1689
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:41,359
there's always waste heat

1690
01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:43,119
you're going to pick that up in infrared

1691
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,599
and that really shows up when you have

1692
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:47,440
drones and airplanes and things like

1693
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,480
this

1694
01:05:53,349 --> 01:05:50,640
what's interesting about uap is is they

1695
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,359
don't have waste heat very often or

1696
01:05:57,190 --> 01:05:55,440
they're or they're at least very cold

1697
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:57,200
you know whether this is because they've

1698
01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:00,160
just come in from outer space or what

1699
01:06:03,510 --> 01:06:01,920
but they're not heating up when we're

1700
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:03,520
entering the atmosphere either so

1701
01:06:09,029 --> 01:06:04,880
there's

1702
01:06:10,230 --> 01:06:09,039
anomalous they're anomalous in multiple

1703
01:06:11,910 --> 01:06:10,240
ways

1704
01:06:13,990 --> 01:06:11,920
and that's another way in which they're

1705
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,000
anomalous so that trefoil shaped object

1706
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:16,720
is about 60 degrees below zero

1707
01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:19,280
right and you can see that in the video

1708
01:06:22,230 --> 01:06:20,640
and that is

1709
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:22,240
you know the same temperature on the two

1710
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,319
cameras so the plane was picked the

1711
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,160
airplane was picked up on one camera but

1712
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:28,799
the uap was picked up on two cameras

1713
01:06:38,470 --> 01:06:36,390
wow that's incredible i'll actually have

1714
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:38,480
the link for that video i just showed um

1715
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:39,680
from the conference i'll put it in the

1716
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,680
description below so anybody can go and

1717
01:06:45,270 --> 01:06:43,920
check it out for themselves um but yeah

1718
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:45,280
i found that very interesting because

1719
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:46,720
videos like that you know you'd think

1720
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:48,319
would be in the public domain like we

1721
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:50,240
see the navy videos so

1722
01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:52,960
yeah that's really interesting

1723
01:06:55,990 --> 01:06:54,160
so

1724
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:56,000
well kevin we've gone over the hour mark

1725
01:06:59,750 --> 01:06:58,079
um i just is there anything you wanted

1726
01:07:01,829 --> 01:06:59,760
to discuss before we leave or anything

1727
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,839
you want to you want to finish on oh

1728
01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:03,280
um

1729
01:07:09,029 --> 01:07:05,839
no i mean i could talk for 10 hours on

1730
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:09,039
this and and i i have unfortunately at

1731
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:16,150
have you got anything coming up in the

1732
01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:17,520
near future or in the new year or

1733
01:07:21,910 --> 01:07:19,839
anything you're working towards

1734
01:07:25,349 --> 01:07:21,920
you know anything we can look out for

1735
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:25,359
um let's see yes i am

1736
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:32,390
yeah well i think what's what we can

1737
01:07:37,670 --> 01:07:35,359
look forward to is the um

1738
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:37,680
our

1739
01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:40,160
clear imagery that we've recorded um

1740
01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,160
coming out making us making that public

1741
01:07:45,829 --> 01:07:43,920
when we when we

1742
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:45,839
after we've gone through it all

1743
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:47,280
because we did find some interesting

1744
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:49,680
things which is great great fun

1745
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:52,319
classic yeah that's very exciting and i

1746
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:54,160
understand that these things can't be

1747
01:07:57,029 --> 01:07:56,079
really discussed or disclosed until it's

1748
01:07:59,349 --> 01:07:57,039
been fully

1749
01:08:01,510 --> 01:07:59,359
analyzed and things like that so yeah i

1750
01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,520
respect that completely well finally i

1751
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:03,599
just got to say a huge thank you so much

1752
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:05,359
for for joining me today and having this

1753
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:07,359
discussion it was fascinating and you

1754
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,359
know maybe a few months down the line if

1755
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:10,960
things change and pick up you you'd come

1756
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:12,240
back and we'll uh

1757
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:13,920
talk about what's going on once we once

1758
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:15,920
we've gone through our videos i'm happy

1759
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:17,679
to talk about what we found and what we

1760
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:18,480
saw

1761
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,480
that would be fantastic well kevin stay

1762
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:22,400
in touch my friend enjoy the rest of

1763
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:25,279
your day and uh yeah thank you so much

1764
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:27,199
okay thank you for having me thank you

1765
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:32,630
hey guys everyone that's been watching

1766
01:08:36,390 --> 01:08:34,719
thank you so much for being here in the

1767
01:08:40,630 --> 01:08:36,400
chat thank you for the for the kind

1768
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:40,640
donations so much appreciated and yeah